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Binman4OSU

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Stupid about AGW!!
One is a little more of a stretch than the other. I don't think MM gave any advice or encouragement in his music for the crime.
So your saying that Video game manufactures should be held accountable for the slayings of the all the people in Norway...since the killer said he practiced using video games.

There have been alot of people in crimes say that video games and the acts they carried out in them led them to the crimes they did...so video game makers should be held responsible?

what if someone went on a mass murder rampage after a marathon watching of Dexter.....I mean Dexter showed him how to do it and get away with it on TV right...
 

NYC Poke

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Please read what nambla states on their site --that is the open support of pedophilia
-- the age of consent in every state is 16-18
nambla is openly supporting a criminal offense
Please read what the aclu told the boston globe
"It has to do with communications on a website, and material that does not promote any kind of criminal behavior whatsoever."

So pedophilia is illegal - hopefully we can all agree on that
nambla unabashedly promotes pedophilia by their own admission, which is a crime
aclu defends nambla saying they do not promote criminal behavior

Really??

has the aclu done anything good -- most assuredly, have they now backslid into a highly politically charged charade, absolutely.
Understand I am not defending NAMBLA.

You seem to be arguing that people shouldn't be able to advocate illegal behavior. I would remind you that there are a lot of things legal that didn't used to be. Black people voting, owning property, etc. comes to mind as a convenient example. Should those who advocated civil rights for blacks have been prosecuted where those civil rights conflicted with criminal laws?*

I find what NAMBLA advances repugnant, as we all do. But personal repugnance has never been, not should it ever be, a valid reason under our Constitution for limiting speech.

I cannot stand the Westboro trolls. And yet when I see them spewing truly repugnant filth, it reminds me of how great our country is.


*Understand also that I am not equating blacks and pedophiles.
 
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Ft Collins
People that are against legalization are over 30. By the time the current generation gets up there it won't be a big deal. I don't smoke, but weed is safer than advil...

Woops sorry^^^
What if you're over 30 and for it? I think you are off on you're analysis of the population. Of course this varies depending on where you are in the country, but I would say it's the over 55 vote that is holding this back as of now. Young people don't vote in the same numbers that retirees do. Especially when they are high......on BATH SALTS!
 

ksupoke

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Understand I am not defending NAMBLA.

You seem to be arguing that people shouldn't be able to advocate illegal behavior. I would remind you that there are a lot of things legal that didn't used to be. Black people voting, owning property, etc. comes to mind as a convenient example. Should those who advocated civil rights for blacks have been prosecuted where those civil rights conflicted with criminal laws?*

I find what NAMBLA advances repugnant, as we all do. But personal repugnance has never been, not should it ever be, a valid reason under our Constitution for limiting speech.

I cannot stand the Westboro trolls. And yet when I see them spewing truly repugnant filth, it reminds me of how great our country is.


*Understand also that I am not equating blacks and pedophiles.
I know you are not, what I am trying (and poorly it seems) is that the aclu said that they are defending an organization that does not promote criminal behavior when in fact nambla does (by their own admission) promote criminal behavior.

dead horse -- kick, kick, kick
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Binman4OSU

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I know you are not, what I am trying (and poorly it seems) is that the aclu said that they are defending an organization that does not promote criminal behavior when in fact nambla does (by their own admission) promote criminal behavior.

dead horse -- kick, kick, kick
no response
Would you rather lose the freedom of speech or deal with NAMBLA?
 

ksupoke

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What if you're over 30 and for it? I think you are off on you're analysis of the population. Of course this varies depending on where you are in the country, but I would say it's the over 55 vote that is holding this back as of now. Young people don't vote in the same numbers that retirees do. Especially when they are high......on BATH SALTS!
Most recent polls show 60% support under 30 and 68% opposition over 65.
given that currently it is a 50-50 endeavor that would seem to say that 31-64 is pretty much 50-50 as well.
 
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Most recent polls show 60% support under 30 and 68% opposition over 65.
given that currently it is a 50-50 endeavor that would seem to say that 31-64 is pretty much 50-50 as well.
It's close, but my argument is more about the fact that the 55+ vote in much higher numbers than under 30, greatly skewing the actual public opinion on the matter. If the lazy buggers would put the bong down and go vote something might change. ;)
 

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What if you're 24 and against it?
Why be against it? Are you scared that a new strain of marijuana turns people into cannibals who want to eat your face? Well, considering that narcs say they only seize 10% of the underground drug market, I'd be scared, too.

But the point is, if illegal drugs are really all that big of a menace to society, don't you think the government would be doing a more serious job of protecting us from illegal drugs, along with Oklahoma sending more people than it does for life in prison over drugs?
 

ksupoke

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So when you lose an argument, you put the above up.
Townie, I don't know why you are antagonistic. I don't feel like I lost an argument, I thought NYC made a very valid point and if I felt that the aclu was acting appropriately I would have said so. As I stated they have at times been a protectorate of the 1st amendment, the last several years they have become more of a political shill.
The other point I was making is that the aclu stated something that was demonstratively false. I very much respect what NYC says (in most cases:)) well thought out, educated and reasoned. That does not mean I am always going to agree nor does it mean we are in an argument. Maybe I was wrong I thought it was a civil discussion with differing pov's.

I posted the above because I felt it had become a circular discussion it was meant as much for me as it was anyone.
If you felt it was an argument then I apologize it was not meant to be.
 

Cimarron

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It's close, but my argument is more about the fact that the 55+ vote in much higher numbers than under 30, greatly skewing the actual public opinion on the matter. If the lazy buggers would put the bong down and go vote something might change. ;)
Maybe because that's more of them?

76,750,000 - 55 years of age and older

42,688,000 - 20 - 30 years of age
 

panhandler62

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I usually try to avoid arguments where I'm in the wrong logically. I just give myself a free pass when it comes to fat gross men killing and raping t-ball players.
That's not the issue though. The ACLU did not defend the fat bastard. The ACLU defended the right of NAMBLA to say asinine and highly offensive things. I don't like it that NAMBLA says this crap (or even exists, for that matter) but how do you silence those assholes without silencing the man who says we are being taxed too much?
 

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Where it becomes even more troublesome and maybe illegal is when they give advice on how to get away with attracting and molesting children. I'm not sure but giving advice on how to get away with a crime might open them up to civil cases.
Apparently it doesn't but I think that is a fine argument to make to the SCOTUS. Seems like it might verge on conspiracy. Worth a shot anyway.
 

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The ACLU defended the right of NAMBLA to say asinine and highly offensive things. I don't like it that NAMBLA says this crap (or even exists, for that matter) but how do you silence those assholes without silencing the man who says we are being taxed too much?
I bow to sound logic.

Now put me on the jury if nambla is on trial.

I dare ya.