OSU, Tulsa agree to eight-year, home-and-home football series

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Jostate

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Unfortunately, when millions of dollars are in potential play things don't get to be simple. Whether it is going to an IUPU type of arrangement with OU or expanding the role OSU-Tulsa, Oklahoma State wants as big of a presence in Tulsa as it can build. Higher education is probably entering a new era of retraction. The big will get bigger and the smaller will have to fight for survival. OSU is small by tier 1, P5, state flagship standards. It is looking for territory. There is a still a lot to work out in Tulsa and some issues involving Langston, it'll be interesting to see how it all plays out.
What's IUPU?
 

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Indiana University and Purdue University combine their satellite campuses in the state for greater offerings and outreach in their state.

While that is a stated goal of Oklahoma State, I don't think it's on the radar at all for the University of Oklahoma to engage in greater community outreach in the state. It's why their system isn't as far reaching as OSU's.
 

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Is it pretty clear to everybody else that the "we are so much bigger than having to play Tulsa" contingent is the fan that grew up cheering for the sooners but went to OSU for some reason?
 

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Is it pretty clear to everybody else that the "we are so much bigger than having to play Tulsa" contingent is the fan that grew up cheering for the sooners but went to OSU for some reason?
And has never been to a game in Tulsa. We will never have another road game where we are the home team
 
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Indiana University and Purdue University combine their satellite campuses in the state for greater offerings and outreach in their state.

While that is a stated goal of Oklahoma State, I don't think it's on the radar at all for the University of Oklahoma to engage in greater community outreach in the state. It's why their system isn't as far reaching as OSU's.
Wouldn't surprise me if it's on their radar if OSU starts to gain a stronghold in Tulsa... which we are going to do.
 

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Wouldn't surprise me if it's on their radar if OSU starts to gain a stronghold in Tulsa... which we are going to do.
I think OSU already has a much stronger presence in Tulsa than OU. At least from the normal populace. We've had several guys from Booker T. over the years that talk about how they grew up OSU fans because their parents or grandparents were OSU fans. Plus it always seemed like Tulsa was just friendlier to the OSU fan than OKC has ever been.

From an athletic standpoint... I think getting guys like Dylan Stoner from Jenks is a pretty huge coup in the area. Normally if a Jenks guy didn't go to OU, he would go to Arkansas or Tulsa or Kansas State or anywhere but OSU. Stoner has changed that and, if I'm not mistaken, we've added quite a few guys from Jenks since he came over.
 
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I think OSU already has a much stronger presence in Tulsa than OU. At least from the normal populace. We've had several guys from Booker T. over the years that talk about how they grew up OSU fans because their parents or grandparents were OSU fans. Plus it always seemed like Tulsa was just friendlier to the OSU fan than OKC has ever been.

From an athletic standpoint... I think getting guys like Dylan Stoner from Jenks is a pretty huge coup in the area. Normally if a Jenks guy didn't go to OU, he would go to Arkansas or Tulsa or Kansas State or anywhere but OSU. Stoner has changed that and, if I'm not mistaken, we've added quite a few guys from Jenks since he came over.
Tulsa's a never ending battle. We'll get some guys & we'll lose some, like we always have.

Mark Ginther & Lawrence Pinson were pretty big gets out of Jenks, but other kids still went other places. It'd be great to land more kids from Jenks & Union, but continuing to get BTW kids, & Bixby, BA & Owasso need to be priorities, too.
 
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I think OSU already has a much stronger presence in Tulsa than OU. At least from the normal populace. We've had several guys from Booker T. over the years that talk about how they grew up OSU fans because their parents or grandparents were OSU fans. Plus it always seemed like Tulsa was just friendlier to the OSU fan than OKC has ever been.

From an athletic standpoint... I think getting guys like Dylan Stoner from Jenks is a pretty huge coup in the area. Normally if a Jenks guy didn't go to OU, he would go to Arkansas or Tulsa or Kansas State or anywhere but OSU. Stoner has changed that and, if I'm not mistaken, we've added quite a few guys from Jenks since he came over.
Sure, but I'm not really talking about athletics. The city of Tulsa is under-served by not having a public university option. We have a fairly large presence there already with OSU-Tulsa and filling that need would be mutually beneficial.
 

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Sure, but I'm not really talking about athletics. The city of Tulsa is under-served by not having a public university option. We have a fairly large presence there already with OSU-Tulsa and filling that need would be mutually beneficial.
Yeah but NSU has a stronger presence in the Tulsa area than OU has... so I really don't think that OU will ever be interested in that kind of outreach. It's just not in their charter.
 

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Indiana University and Purdue University combine their satellite campuses in the state for greater offerings and outreach in their state.

While that is a stated goal of Oklahoma State, I don't think it's on the radar at all for the University of Oklahoma to engage in greater community outreach in the state. It's why their system isn't as far reaching as OSU's.
OU has the Schusterman Center in Tulsa with a Vision 2025 plan and $30 million to build another medical research facility.

Langston also has a Tulsa campus which holds some important cards in this discussion.

Here is a good article from the Tulsa World that brought to the greater public some of these conversations. It also probably speaks to why the University of Tulsa is attempting to pivot away from being an "elite liberal arts college" and moving toward this "professional super college" concept.

https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/a-f...cle_c1e11865-68de-54dc-b764-757621c97d4e.html
 
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New era of retraction? Are you kidding me. Awaken from your coma. Universities are expanding and building at an unprecedented rate. Loans for anyone with a pulse. Higher education is boom town. Besides, what would playing Tulsa have to do with any of this? Your response was either uninformed, misinformed, or just plain propaganda. I can’t believe you expect anyone to buy that tripe.
Yes and no if you look across the full spectrum of colleges and universities.

Since 2016, 24 Colleges have closed and another approximately 50 have been merged in to another school. Most were schools that traditionally served minorities or smaller liberal arts colleges; but it is starting at the bottom with the weakest links, the schools with the smallest student bodies and least financial support, and working its way up the chain.

Part of the reason is that since hitting a high of a little over 70 percent in 2009, the percentage of high school graduates attending college has bounced around a little but been declining since, and many are dropping out before getting a degree. Total enrollment at colleges and universities in 2018 was 19.9 million, down about 2 million from 2010. So the pool of total student customers is definitely shrinking.

Some schools have seen significant growth in student populations (Texas A&M is one example), but part of the growth is taking students that might have gone to some other school in the past. What we are seeing with all the construction is more of a "facilities race" to attract students, much as we have seen with stadiums and locker rooms for football and other sports to attract athletes. Smaller schools in states that don't provide as much support for higher education and have less alumni support are going to lose that race. More consolidation, more haves and have nots, to come.
 
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Speaking of the OSU-Tulsa series, kickoff times were announced today for several games this fall...

Kickoff times were announced today for three Oklahoma State nonconference football games.

The Cowboys kick off the 2019 season on Friday, Aug. 30 at Oregon State. That game starts at 9:30 p.m. on FS1.

On Sept. 7, the Cowboys host McNeese State at 6 p.m. on ESPN+.

The OSU-University of Tulsa game in Tulsa is scheduled for 2:30 p.m. on either ABC, ESPN or ESPN2.
 
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Yes and no if you look across the full spectrum of colleges and universities.

Since 2016, 24 Colleges have closed and another approximately 50 have been merged in to another school. Most were schools that traditionally served minorities or smaller liberal arts colleges; but it is starting at the bottom with the weakest links, the schools with the smallest student bodies and least financial support, and working its way up the chain.

Part of the reason is that since hitting a high of a little over 70 percent in 2009, the percentage of high school graduates attending college has bounced around a little but been declining since, and many are dropping out before getting a degree. Total enrollment at colleges and universities in 2018 was 19.9 million, down about 2 million from 2010. So the pool of total student customers is definitely shrinking.

Some schools have seen significant growth in student populations (Texas A&M is one example), but part of the growth is taking students that might have gone to some other school in the past. What we are seeing with all the construction is more of a "facilities race" to attract students, much as we have seen with stadiums and locker rooms for football and other sports to attract athletes. Smaller schools in states that don't provide as much support for higher education and have less alumni support are going to lose that race. More consolidation, more haves and have nots, to come.
https://www.city-journal.org/divers...is4yWUkYvC7S5otVwno9EvjPbe88HiTe8xtQizNc-BHB0
 

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Sorry to revive this thread but I just discovered another reason to dislike this deal. Ticket prices and availability. If you are planning on going to the game at TU, you better already be thinking about tickets. You may end up spending $100 each for endzone tickets or not able to go at all. Holder could have saved some OSU fans a little bit of money by holding out for a 2 for 1 deal. Money those fans may have gladly spent at Stillwater merchants on that 2nd home game.

The only small pleasure will be seeing TU's stadium 75+% orange during that game.
 
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Me too. One of the most bizarre and surreal sporting events ever in the universe.
I too was there. It was awesome. After the rain delay was over we all walked back in with ponchos and 30 packs under our arms. There weren't even security guards anymore. We were cracking beers in the stadium that was basically empty watching from the front row. Kind of surreal.
 

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Remembering the wonderful 1984 game at Skelly and shutting up the mouthy TU fans pretty early on. Never could stand TU or their fans.