Shooting mystery: Miami-Dade teen killed by a crime watch captain

  • You are viewing Orangepower as a Guest. To start new threads, reply to posts, or participate in polls or contests - you must register. Registration is free and easy. Click Here to register.
Jun 24, 2011
1,221
936
743
It would seem the tinfoil hat is worn by you, sir.

You seem to believe that this kid was shot simply because he was black. You also seem to think, without any evidence of such, that Zimmerman is guilty of murder. And, you think that he was released (or not arrested lol) because he is a "white/Hispanic", whatever that is.

I see the right leaning posters all saying let the Courts decide.

I see the left leaning posters screaming racism and being "outraged".

I suggest you go look in the mirror and check your tinfoil hat.
Do you think Zimmerman should be charged with 2nd degree murder, manslaughter, or not charged with anything at all?
 

Cimarron

It's not dying I'm talking about, it's living.
Jun 28, 2007
50,992
17,627
1,743
He shot and killed the only other person who knew what really happened. Interesting fact about the time though, I hadn't heard that.

Since I consider myself a left-leaning moderate, I'll play.

1. The racism issue comes from that fact that a black kid was shot by a white/hispanic man, but the shooter was not arrested and it appeared he may not even be charged. Although that issue has been rectified, it opened up a can of worms. And of course there are people out there who want to stir that pot further.

2. Anyone giving death threats to Zimmerman or the judge is not on my side. You seem to think there are only two sides to this issue. That's a pretty narrow and naive view, IMO.

3. Are you trying to have a real conversation here or just puff yourself up? I do not advocate vigilante street justice. And I don't think the mainline "left" does either, regardless of what certain individuals may choose to do.
But you had indicated that Zimmerman had somehow made that happen? Or were you simply exaggerating the facts as we know them?

"Zimmerman made sure he was the only one around to tell the story."

As Rx pointed out Zimmerman was arrested. So why do we keep hearing these exaggerations of the facts well after knowing them?
 
Nov 16, 2004
2,238
930
743
44
Moore
Do you think Zimmerman should be charged with 2nd degree murder, manslaughter, or not charged with anything at all?
I don't have all the facts in the case to make a judgement.

If I were in a jury, I would carefully weigh all the facts before rushing to judgement.

That is how it is suppose to work.

If we used the logic of some of the liberals on this board, white people should have rioted, made death threats and had bounties out on OJ Simpson.
 

Cimarron

It's not dying I'm talking about, it's living.
Jun 28, 2007
50,992
17,627
1,743
1. Zimmerman has self identified as both white and hispanic. Traditionally hispanics have sometimes been classified as white, other times not, depending on the system used. In this case it is not clear whether either classification is entirely correct.

2. Again, it is not MY party. I am a registered independent and my voting record is not heavily favored with either party. Both parties have their extremists. In my experience only extreme-right-wingers label Obama as an extreme leftist. He is far more centrist than a lot of Democrats.

3. Is your tin foil hat fitting a little tight today? You seem far more interested in labeling people and using incendiary language than having an honest discussion. This is exactly what is wrong (IMO) with the political climate in America today.
What system would that be?

Obama by his own voting record is on the left fringe.
 
Jun 24, 2011
1,221
936
743
Obama by his own voting record is on the left fringe.
Obama could be much more to the left. For example, he's done little-to-nothing about ending the death penalty, increasing gun control, legalizing gay marriage, ending the Patriot Act, closing Gitmo, etc, etc.

Most modern day politicians are either a little bit to the left, or a little bit to the right, because they know they won't get elected/re-elected otherwise. You think there's really much difference between Obama and Romney? Hardly.
 

Cimarron

It's not dying I'm talking about, it's living.
Jun 28, 2007
50,992
17,627
1,743
Obama could be much more to the left. For example, he's done little-to-nothing about ending the death penalty, increasing gun control, legalizing gay marriage, ending the Patriot Act, closing Gitmo, etc, etc.

Most modern day politicians are either a little bit to the left, or a little bit to the right, because they know they won't get elected/re-elected otherwise. You think there's really much difference between Obama and Romney? Hardly.
Obama often voted "present". The purpose of that vote was pure political.

I remember seeing a voting record back in 2008 that had Obama based on his voting record the left fringes of the democrats. Interestingly Hillary though was further left than Obama was.

So if Romney is close to Obama about all that could make Romney would be a moderate. Based on that most people here on OP suggest they are moderates? I guess they'll line up and vote for Romney?
 

Cimarron

It's not dying I'm talking about, it's living.
Jun 28, 2007
50,992
17,627
1,743
Beating of Alabama Man Not Being Investigated As Hate Crime
A racially charged beating of a white Alabama man by a throng of African-Americans is not being investigated as a hate crime, despite one witness' claim that she heard an assailant exclaim: "Now that's justice for Trayvon."
Matthew Owens, of Mobile, Ala., was assaulted with baseball bats, paint cans and other weapons at about 8:30 p.m. Saturday after telling a group of children to stop playing basketball in the middle of Delmar Drive, according to Ashley Rains, public information officer for the Mobile Police Department.
 

Cimarron

It's not dying I'm talking about, it's living.
Jun 28, 2007
50,992
17,627
1,743
Yes he does....

Legal legend Alan Dershowitz blasted the special prosecutor in the Trayvon Martin case, accusing her of hiding evidence favorable to defendant George Zimmerman and committing perjury.

If I were this prosecutor, I’d be hiring a lawyer at this point,” Dershowitz said of Angela Cory, the Florida state attorney


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/25/dershowitz-trayvon-prosecutor-overreached-with-murder-charge/#ixzz1t9kH1Fxr
 
Jun 24, 2011
1,221
936
743
I don't have all the facts in the case to make a judgement.

If I were in a jury, I would carefully weigh all the facts before rushing to judgement.

That is how it is suppose to work.

If we used the logic of some of the liberals on this board, white people should have rioted, made death threats and had bounties out on OJ Simpson.
So after 34 pages of discussion on this issue, you have no opinion whatsoever as to whether or not you think Zimmerman should be charged with a crime?
 

Cimarron

It's not dying I'm talking about, it's living.
Jun 28, 2007
50,992
17,627
1,743
So after 34 pages of discussion on this issue, you have no opinion whatsoever as to whether or not you think Zimmerman should be charged with a crime?
Have you seen any factual information that says he committed a crime or just rumors and mis-truths?

The only person (outside of Zimmerman) at this point that has the most access to those facts is Angela Cory and there are even several legal experts who are suggesting she screwed up the facts.
 

SiggyPoke

Territorial Marshal
Nov 4, 2003
7,483
2,194
1,743
42
Tulsa
Here's another sad situation spawned by this hyped up case.

Suspect claims he attacked white teen because he was angry over Trayvon case, police say
Published April 26, 2012 FoxNews.com

CHICAGO – An black 18-year-old suspected of a violent attack on a white teen told Chicago police the beating was motivated by his anger over the Trayvon Martin case in Florida, MyFoxChicago reports.

Alton Hayes III was charged with a hate crime after he and a 15-year-old attacked the 19-year-old man at about 1:00 a.m. on April 17 in Oak Park, a Chicago suburb.

Police say Hayes and his teenage partner, who has not been named since he is a juvenile, picked the man apparently at random and pinned his arms to the side.

Hayes allegedly then picked up a tree branch and demanded the victim give them his belongings, saying, "Empty your pockets, white boy."

The suspects then rifled through the victim's pockets, threw him to the ground and punched him numerous times in the head and back. Both suspects are black and the victim is white, according to police.

MyFoxChicago reports Hayes told police he decided to attack his victim because he is angry over the death of Trayvon Martin. Hayes said he chose his victim because he is white.

Hayes was charged with attempted robbery, aggravated battery and a hate crime, all felonies. His teenage comrade was referred to juvenile court.

Trayvon Martin, 17, is the unarmed black teenager who was fatally shot as he walked through a gated community in Sanford, Fla. on Feb. 26. George Zimmerman, who has been charged with second-degree murder, went into hiding Monday as he awaits trial.


Read more: Suspect claims he attacked white teen because he was angry over Trayvon case, police say | Fox News
 

Cimarron

It's not dying I'm talking about, it's living.
Jun 28, 2007
50,992
17,627
1,743
Here's another sad situation spawned by this hyped up case.

Suspect claims he attacked white teen because he was angry over Trayvon case, police say
Published April 26, 2012 FoxNews.com

CHICAGO – An black 18-year-old suspected of a violent attack on a white teen told Chicago police the beating was motivated by his anger over the Trayvon Martin case in Florida, MyFoxChicago reports.

Alton Hayes III was charged with a hate crime after he and a 15-year-old attacked the 19-year-old man at about 1:00 a.m. on April 17 in Oak Park, a Chicago suburb.

Police say Hayes and his teenage partner, who has not been named since he is a juvenile, picked the man apparently at random and pinned his arms to the side.

Hayes allegedly then picked up a tree branch and demanded the victim give them his belongings, saying, "Empty your pockets, white boy."

The suspects then rifled through the victim's pockets, threw him to the ground and punched him numerous times in the head and back. Both suspects are black and the victim is white, according to police.

MyFoxChicago reports Hayes told police he decided to attack his victim because he is angry over the death of Trayvon Martin. Hayes said he chose his victim because he is white.

Hayes was charged with attempted robbery, aggravated battery and a hate crime, all felonies. His teenage comrade was referred to juvenile court.

Trayvon Martin, 17, is the unarmed black teenager who was fatally shot as he walked through a gated community in Sanford, Fla. on Feb. 26. George Zimmerman, who has been charged with second-degree murder, went into hiding Monday as he awaits trial.


Read more: Suspect claims he attacked white teen because he was angry over Trayvon case, police say | Fox News
I'm expecting to hear from Al Sharpton any time on this hate crime....
 
Nov 16, 2004
2,238
930
743
44
Moore
So after 34 pages of discussion on this issue, you have no opinion whatsoever as to whether or not you think Zimmerman should be charged with a crime?
That isn't my job.

We have people that are paid to do that. They interrogated Zimmerman for 6 hours and determined they didn't have anything to charge him with - so they released him. If they released him at the scene, like so many keep falsely claiming on here, then I would question it and hope it would be looked into further. But, since he was interrogated for 6 hours, it appears they did their job.

Of course politicians and media gets involved and throws a race label on the matter. Now, he has been charged. Perhaps that is a good thing. We will let the courts decide now. I trust in our system - it may not be perfect but it is still the best in the world.

So, if a Judge tosses it or a jury finds him not guilty, will you consider the matter closed????
 

Cimarron

It's not dying I'm talking about, it's living.
Jun 28, 2007
50,992
17,627
1,743
We may be hearing about cars and homes being firebombed if that happens.
Based on the reports we are already getting in regards to hate crimes based on this issue I wouldn't be surprised to see it escalate.