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OSUndefeated

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I like BPS the way it is. Its special because its like nothing else in the Country. As much as I'd love to say we could get 70k people in BPS I think it takes away from the Small town Stillwater feel.

I dont want to become like norman....please Lord no....
I love BPS, but how is it unlike any other big football stadium in a small college town? I guess ever stadium is unique, but would adding 20,000 seats take away the specialty of it? I guess I'm just not following your logic.
 

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I love BPS, but how is it unlike any other big football stadium in a small college town? I guess ever stadium is unique, but would adding 20,000 seats take away the specialty of it? I guess I'm just not following your logic.
The stadium already holds more people than live in the city of stillwater, right? I guess im just afriad that if we add another 20k (which would be great for our fan base) that we will lose whats specail about BPS.

I guess it all is going to come with winning football games anyways..but look at GIA. They added the upper part when we were winning and as soon as we stopped winning we look like a big eye sore on tv :(
 
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Some people are planners and others are not. Having a "discussion" of this after we have a waiting list is an error I believe. The reason being you have to get the money together in advance, which we should be doing right now. After that you have 1-2 years for plans, permits, bidding, construction, etc. in addition to having to schedule construction around the events. If you aren't thinking ahead, you are always last! If you think about it, we are where we are because Pickens & Holder saw the need to upgrade the stadium, and had the vision of what would happen. Can you imagine where we would be if this hadn't happened? I think we need to learn from history, and if you don't think that is true, not much i can say to convince you.

I agree the other sports would greatly benefit from upgrades as football has. Holder is working on this. I bet you he is also thinking about the upper deck in the back of his mind. He is a PLANNER!
I agree you have to plan ahead and be thinking about future needs but I don't think anyone is going to do anything about it until the demand is proven. Especially with other needs on the table. Although I could see something like this jumping to the head of the line when it could be revenue positive. Most of the projects on the table are not going to generate revenue.
 

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The stadium already holds more people than live in the city of stillwater, right? I guess im just afriad that if we add another 20k (which would be great for our fan base) that we will lose whats specail about BPS.
In all fairness, a lot of college football stadiums have capacities higher than the cities they're located in.
 

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Just because there is no 'waiting list' doesn't mean there is not a demand - it means there is not a demand at today's price points. I believe the Wild West Zone has been virtually sold out the past couple of years, and the price goes up if you want season tickets elsewhere.

Four years ago I bought my first season tickets since I graduated, and the Wild West Zone 4-pack was a major factor (as was the 'premium game'). Two years later I moved to the lowest-priced donor section. This year we will increase from 4 seats to 6 (& maybe 8!), and may move again to even higher priced seats - not because I'm wealthy, but because we have enjoyed the experience so much we are moving more of our entertainment dollars into OSU football and away from other things.

I say you build the upper deck as soon as it's any where near financially possible. Sell those seats 1) as discount season tickets, $30-40/game average, and 2) as cheap walk-up and/or single-game tickets, $15-20/game. Fill it up with fans who will buy concessions and Orange gear; trust that from that group will develop people like me who will want to upgrade their seats, start tailgating, make OSU football an important part of their lives. (PS: I'd like to see something similar with $10 tickets in the 300 level of GIA)
 

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Does anybody know how many student tickets that we sell to students at non Stillwater campuses? IMHO, if the product is good and prices are right we can get 70-75k.
 

OSUndefeated

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The stadium already holds more people than live in the city of stillwater, right? I guess im just afriad that if we add another 20k (which would be great for our fan base) that we will lose whats specail about BPS.

I guess it all is going to come with winning football games anyways..but look at GIA. They added the upper part when we were winning and as soon as we stopped winning we look like a big eye sore on tv :(
I don't think we should expand BPS right now. I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying if we were to add 20,000 seats I'm not sure how that would make BPS a less special place whatsoever or make it "like norman".
 
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Just because there is no 'waiting list' doesn't mean there is not a demand - it means there is not a demand at today's price points. I believe the Wild West Zone has been virtually sold out the past couple of years, and the price goes up if you want season tickets elsewhere.

Four years ago I bought my first season tickets since I graduated, and the Wild West Zone 4-pack was a major factor (as was the 'premium game'). Two years later I moved to the lowest-priced donor section. This year we will increase from 4 seats to 6 (& maybe 8!), and may move again to even higher priced seats - not because I'm wealthy, but because we have enjoyed the experience so much we are moving more of our entertainment dollars into OSU football and away from other things.

I say you build the upper deck as soon as it's any where near financially possible. Sell those seats 1) as discount season tickets, $30-40/game average, and 2) as cheap walk-up and/or single-game tickets, $15-20/game. Fill it up with fans who will buy concessions and Orange gear; trust that from that group will develop people like me who will want to upgrade their seats, start tailgating, make OSU football an important part of their lives. (PS: I'd like to see something similar with $10 tickets in the 300 level of GIA)
I think you have a great point. The only counterpoint is this: there are fans who would downgrade to a cheaper seat because it is available. Currently the WEZ is the cheapest seat so it is full. If the upper deck was the cheapest seat, many would move there and your profit wouldn't change one bit.

If your demand doesn't increase at the same rate as your supply, then you're not doing any good.

In terms of building your fanbase, it's a great idea. From an investment/profit standpoint, it isn't necessarily.

I continue to believe that before we talk about expanding the current stadium, we need to finish the IPF, soccer, track and baseball facilities. In 3-4 years if we are successful and need more room, we start the fund raising process.

I simply can't see a scenario where it is completed before 2018.
 
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The stadium already holds more people than live in the city of stillwater, right? I guess im just afriad that if we add another 20k (which would be great for our fan base) that we will lose whats specail about BPS.

I guess it all is going to come with winning football games anyways..but look at GIA. They added the upper part when we were winning and as soon as we stopped winning we look like a big eye sore on tv :(
Wasn't the GIA expansion, more or less, mandated by the conference?
 

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I don't think we should expand BPS right now. I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying if we were to add 20,000 seats I'm not sure how that would make BPS a less special place whatsoever or make it "like norman".
You are probably right I guess I just like the way it looks because it is very different than most stadiums...
 

OSUndefeated

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You are probably right I guess I just like the way it looks because it is very different than most stadiums...
LOL fair enough. I don't see how adding an upper deck would make it look any less unique. It would just make it bigger, but the design would be the same. But alright.
 

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I think you have a great point. The only counterpoint is this: there are fans who would downgrade to a cheaper seat because it is available. Currently the WEZ is the cheapest seat so it is full. If the upper deck was the cheapest seat, many would move there and your profit wouldn't change one bit.

If your demand doesn't increase at the same rate as your supply, then you're not doing any good.

In terms of building your fanbase, it's a great idea. From an investment/profit standpoint, it isn't necessarily.

I continue to believe that before we talk about expanding the current stadium, we need to finish the IPF, soccer, track and baseball facilities. In 3-4 years if we are successful and need more room, we start the fund raising process.

I simply can't see a scenario where it is completed before 2018.
Point taken, I'm just not sure a lot of folks would downgrade. Then the question becomes "is there an untapped demand at lower prices?" (I think there is). And, of course, do those lower prices (+ increased revenues for concessions, licensed apparel, etc.) generate enough income to make the project viable?

As much as I would like to see them start on the upper deck tomorrow, and believe it makes financial sense right now, I agree that those other facilities need to be complete or well on their way to completion first. I'd love to see all of them plus the upper deck complete by 2018, but even that may be a little ambitious.
 

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pretty simple.... sell out every single game for 5-7 years.. then this talk becomes real. We haven't even had a complete, 100% full capacity game yet.. And we were the #3 team in the Nation last year.... If you add 20,000 more seats... the stadium becomes an empty eye sore to anyone watching on TV and to the national media
 

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pretty simple.... sell out every single game for 5-7 years.. then this talk becomes real. We haven't even had a complete, 100% full capacity game yet.. And we were the #3 team in the Nation last year.... If you add 20,000 more seats... the stadium becomes an empty eye sore to anyone watching on TV and to the national media
We never sold out before we built the WEZ. I hate when they show that empty eyesore on TV.