Who do you think will win?

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Who do you think will win?

  • Barack Obama

    Votes: 14 35.0%
  • Mitt Romney

    Votes: 24 60.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 2 5.0%

  • Total voters
    40

Binman4OSU

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#61
It isn't if he has them locked up, it's if he can sustain the number and percentage of those groups.
Well as you see with Romney in front of the NAACP yesterday getting booed...if Romney is unwilling to tailor his message to appeal to his audience...and keeps going in spraying his message like he is shooting a shot gun, BO has no worries that he can't sustain the leads in those voting groups
 

Cimarron

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#62
Well as you see with Romney in front of the NAACP yesterday getting booed...if Romney is unwilling to tailor his message to appeal to his audience...and keeps going in spraying his message like he is shooting a shot gun, BO has no worries that he can't sustain the leads in those voting groups
Did you really think he wouldn't get booed at the NAACP? And by all means lets find another Obama, someone who will say anything just for a vote.

Does Obama get booed?
 

NYC Poke

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#64
That's because they are ignored. There were several plans offered up back during the health care debate but they never saw the light of day, either in Congress or the media. Just one example:

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111s1099is/pdf/BILLS-111s1099is.pdf
I don't really view this as a serious proposal. Frankly, it's little more than an unfunded handout (if a Democrat had proposed it, Republicans would be screaming "Socialism!"), and if you think seniors are going to agree to trade their Medicare for a voucher. Vouchers would do little for the elderly and unhealthy because they'd be priced out of the insurance market (or uninsurable).

I'd also note that it contains a provision for tort reform. Interesting, since the bulk of tort law is state law. I guess the principles of federalism don't apply here? The big bad Federal Government can tell states what their laws are?
 

NYC Poke

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#66
I'd look her up and comment but I'm afraid of getting Godwin points. ;)
She's pretty shrill. Serious but shrill. And very, very earnest. I used to listen to her show, Democracy Now!, on the Pacifica station in Houston on my way to work (they played good music) and she'd make MY blood boil she's so liberal.
 

CocoCincinnati

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#68
I don't really view this as a serious proposal. Frankly, it's little more than an unfunded handout (if a Democrat had proposed it, Republicans would be screaming "Socialism!"), and if you think seniors are going to agree to trade their Medicare for a voucher. Vouchers would do little for the elderly and unhealthy because they'd be priced out of the insurance market (or uninsurable).

I'd also note that it contains a provision for tort reform. Interesting, since the bulk of tort law is state law. I guess the principles of federalism don't apply here? The big bad Federal Government can tell states what their laws are?
You not liking the GOP proposal and the GOP offering no proposals at all are two very different things.
 

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#69
You not liking the GOP proposal and the GOP offering no proposals at all are two very different things.
Look, have you noticed that nobody in the GOP is really campaigning on this proposal? There's just not a lot of enthusiasm among the GOP for this. For one, the AARP would crucify them if the GOP aggressively pursued this.*

I'm not slagging it because it's a Republican proposal (because if I did that I'd have to slag Obamacare, since it's a Republican idea), it's just not a serious idea. Republicans are running AGAINST Obamacare, not FOR their own proposal.


*One of the criteria I use for whether or not a proposal is serious is its political feasibility, and this is not feasible.
 

CocoCincinnati

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#71
Look, have you noticed that nobody in the GOP is really campaigning on this proposal? There's just not a lot of enthusiasm among the GOP for this. For one, the AARP would crucify them if the GOP aggressively pursued this.*

I'm not slagging it because it's a Republican proposal (because if I did that I'd have to slag Obamacare, since it's a Republican idea), it's just not a serious idea. Republicans are running AGAINST Obamacare, not FOR their own proposal.


*One of the criteria I use for whether or not a proposal is serious is its political feasibility, and this is not feasible.
There's no use campainging for any proposal until Obamcare is repealed. Although I have seen some Reps change their campaign from "repeal Obamcare" to "repeal and replace".

And again, this isn't the only plan that has been offered, it was merely the easiest one for me to find because I remembered Coburn's name was attached. I'm not trying to say whether or not this particular plan has merit or is feasible, hell I don't think Obamacare is feasible in the long run or that it has any merit, all I'm doing is fighting this campaign by the left that the Republicans don't have any ideas on health care reform when obviously they do. As for the AARP, they are already pretty much an extension of the democratic party and every time I turn on the TV I see them advertising some supplemental insurance plan for seniors so I'm sure they will strongly oppose any Republican plan no matter what is in it.
 
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#73
Well as you see with Romney in front of the NAACP yesterday getting booed...if Romney is unwilling to tailor his message to appeal to his audience...and keeps going in spraying his message like he is shooting a shot gun, BO has no worries that he can't sustain the leads in those voting groups
The only clip any news (other than Fox) showed was him getting booed. He also got rousing applause SEVERAl times. Do I think he will win the black vote? Duh...of course not. But don't be so sure about him having 'locked up' the young people's votes. They're the ones with NO JOBS thanks to Obama's economy. I'll be very surprised if he gets anywhere near the percentage of the young vote that he got last time.
 

CocoCincinnati

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#76
Romney doesn't have to win a bunch of different voting block across the entire country. Just enough to win 4 or 5 key states. Ohio, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Florida and possibly Virginia?
 

Cimarron

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#77
Do you want BO to get re-elected because Mitt WON'T say anything for a vote? Your willing to set through 4 more years of BO, because Mitt has morals?
So you're suggesting Romney should forget morals if he wants to be President?
 

Binman4OSU

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So you're suggesting Romney should forget morals if he wants to be President?
When was the last president we had that lived up to everything they promised us? Moral of the story, morals won't win you an election, but they can sure help you lose one.

He doesn't have to forget his morals to be President, he just has to work around them better based on audience....or he needs to lie about them.....like Obama